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Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:51:00 - [1] Just a kestion you dummy from CCP how long do you think it will take to Get t¦ freigthers ? you have to invent them then build them and before builde a t1 freighter to be able to prod the t¦ !!!!! And thats if you are lucky enought to allready have prerequiered skill and that you only need to buy the new skill !!! if not for many people it mean about 6/8 month if skilling and in this time an other nerf will occure. Carrier drone nerf is ok even if it will not reduice lag but OK ! But logistik Nerf is BAD BAD BAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BADBAD BAD How are we supposed to refuel pos during the time that the new freighter get produced ? By freakin operation of god maybe !!! Oh No by the super rorqual !!! You Say carrier are for fleet support and thats why you nerf it and what you do is create a rorqual that is a mobil factory that will do logistik !!! NEXT NERF IS FOR RORQUAL !!!!! You are focusing on aspect taht already take about 50% of energy of corp to focus on refuel escort jump ... know it will be 75+% More Over you totally F*** up the market of Capital builders that invested 20 B to get production runing for carrier and that already had problem because of rise of mineral prices know well not only margin is low but more over if you nerf logistik capability it will be impossible to sell carrier class ship because they become useless. So people who payed 800m for skill and 800m for ships can stick it up theres and say ok that ccp they are god and dont care about their player !!! God damnt we paye your salary, we make your campagny runing and more important we are not kid like in other game we are adult and we are very likely to understand what you are heading to ! Always remeber that we are not usual mmoprg player we are most of us over 25+ year old in active life and not stupid WOW customers that are slaves of sony corp because they are kid and they don't know what to do. The very stupid thing is that most carrier pilot have at least 2 account when it's not more and i dont talk about builder and so on !! Don't Do this because you will loose a lot cause remerber : Daily average connection is 25000 account so arround maybe 18000 real personnes and we already have more then 2000 signature in the petition agaisnt this nerf ! CCP you are not god and i'm shure that a 2000/3000 player resignation would be a real loose of account of 2 time maybe tree time more so from 3000 to 9000 account "active" of course so a drop from 25000 to 18000 average so a very big drop. Please be resonable and move back on your nerf Co-CEO Kernel Of War Immensea Outpost Manager Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:29:00 - [2] Want to Sell Brainless Thinkers >> Call 1800-CCP For sale 42 M Sp Amarr >> MS/CARRIER/DREAD/HAS/... Comes with Carrier /25 HAS / Obelisk .... 42 M Sp gallente >> MS/CARRIER/DREAD/CS/... Comes with 10 CS 16 M SP Minmattar >> HAS/DICTOR/Carrier ready ... Comes with 15 HAS / 10 sabre (10 M SP Minmattar >> CAPITAL PRODER)X 4 (6M SP Caldari >> Freighter pilot +ship)* 2 Give Of Full Set BPO PARTS and All Carrier, Dread ,Freighter BPO. this is a joke not true >>> (Make me an offer ISK (Priceless indeed)) But this is what might happend for many account and they are really price less by the time I spend to build them UP !!! So many people are in the same case Start from 0 learn skil to manage to fly ship and what you do ccp is to ruine the all thing You can do minor changes to ship to balance power for exemple why not. BUT DO NOT CHANGE THE USE OF IT OR TOTALLY RUINE IT. YOU MAD CARRIER THAT WAY YOU CREATED HEAVY FUEL FOR POS , U CREATED POSSPAMMING YOU CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT COME BACK ON THAT BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT CARRIER ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE SUED THIS WAY !! It is exactlly as if USAIR : BRITAIR or AIRFRANCE said , i'm sorry but we can't provise service please go to new york by Ship take a ferry It's a big mistake airplane were ment to be for Cargo Only !!!! What would the reaction be ??? Maybe over 1B personnes beating the s***t out of USAIR BRITAIR AIRFRANCE CEO AND BURN THEM TO DUST !! Well you are doing the some thing Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:26:00 - [3] Originally by: HydroSan Originally by: Hyakuchan I'd have thought Goon would be loving the prospect of three months without effectively supplied POSes on either side, after all the complaining about the last POS war. Yes because BoB don't have multiple Titans that can jump around normal run of the mill freighters around in giant 30+ freighter convoys from POS to POS. But please, continue to talk about things you have no knowledge of. Love you goonies ^^ So true and by the way (my be out topic but must say) It's it funny that BoB bought a 4 titan 3/4 day before carrier nerf on logistik appears on SISI and seems to be a new issue for all of us for REV III !!! Look like BoB have hell good manager that can see in close future !! Know i can easily understand why spend 160B for a new titan that they could have built ^^ Very clever !!! And Manager should try on nationnal lottery because must have divination gift !! In a month logistique will be Hell on earth for people with no titan Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Vire Amarr on 31/10/2007 05:14:29 Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 31/10/2007 05:06:29 Originally by: HydroSan I don't think you understand just how much effort goes into maintaining a true 0.0 alliance of any kind of size. Forcing people to run freighter ops or protect haulers does not enrich the game and taking the game back to the "stone age" will only make the game die a slow, agonizing death as veterans leave in droves. It's stupid that couple extremely dedicated guys can handle multi-region alliance logistics. What needs to be done is make the game much faster paced and easier to use. Take the jump abilities out, speed up travel by regular ways, have autopilot warp to 0km, force people to do predictable escort duties that are easily interfered in war. Make it impossible to do logistics safely but also make the fuel cheaper and make it last much longer in towers. That's how I see future for this game. Increase risk, make things a lot cheaper and easier and speed up everything - warps 10x faster than now for every ship etc, freighters for 100 M. Fuel for 1/10 current price.. Now given it's CCP we are talking about they'll make it so that single person with Expensive Ship will handle all logistics alone and no risk of getting hurt if he does everything right. Yes genius !! And what about people that spare money during month to get skill and ship and finnaly discover taht they spar time and money and sp traning for nothing !! By the way if an alliances needed up to 70 people to handle logistik do you really think that evemap would look the same ?? Many alliances running region are often around 150 to 250 personnes , so the right thing would be to use 35% of people for only longistik when they are very good and logistik loving people that want to care of it and do great job being 20 only ? What is wrong with you ? War is Logistik to support war not war to support logistiks !!! For gods sak Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao Originally by: Vire Amarr War is Logistik to support war not war to support logistiks !!! For gods sak ?? It should be possible to cripple the corp/alliance easily by targeting the logistics guys, they're what keeps the towers fueled. With all the current mechanisms in place the wars are won by propaganda and such in the forums and decided long before any battle takes places. The fights in game are totally irrelevant and even people who enjoy fleet fights wonder why did we just fight anyway? It was just a skirmish with no purpose, the real fate of the alliance is in hands of couple people and the forum efforts. The reason this game is fun has nothing to do with the game and that's an area where improvements can be made without taking anything out. Make it possible to effect outcome of wars by preventing fueling of towers and so on. No War is in the center always sometime there is no fight it true. Logistik is a big issue to get war possible but it's not possible to deploye pos in hotile sys without powerfull back up. Logistik is what make war possible and it is also true that most of the time a small team manage to prepare for fighter to succes/not. Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:56:00 - [6] Edited by: Vire Amarr on 31/10/2007 06:02:24 Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 31/10/2007 05:46:44 I'd like a lot of freighters running around with mid size escorts and lot of mid size freighter gank groups in 0.0 trying to stop them. It's something alliances need to do so there's no chance to hide at POS or dock, you either do the escorts or you lose the space. Important thing is the ships need to be faster and gang need to be fully autopiloted so you can do other things while on the long trip. The value of 0.0 space should also be increased by removing belt, exploration and other crap and adding complexes that drop 10 billion loot and require 100 size gang to run. That would be nice but impossible for one reason : ISK A 7 h escort with 100 players and 30B of asset is ok no fun but some time needed I agre. But allways escort would cost to much i explain. isk average earning/hours in 0.0 space : 20m/h 7 h go and back trip with freighter and 100 personnes : 70020 = 14B juste to move stuff When it cost 60 time less by carrier or MS Jump brige cost is good with about 20 personnes for lowsec and 0.0 entry during 2 or 3h go&back trip = 6020= 1.2B isk See Why carrier are important ^^ 14B is virtual you will say indeed not because it's money that people dont make on npc/mining/mission/other during the time they are escorting So indeed carreir as also doing logistik is totally necessary cause using jump brdge is ok for one or 2 time a month but not for daily supply of ship ammo .... comming from empire edit : it's the same with CTA looking for only ship destrcution is not enought you also need to look at average participation. if you "use" 600 personnes for 12 h it cost = 144B isk for exemple ^^ Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
Vire Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 10:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Vire Amarr on 31/10/2007 10:16:14 Bravo Bravo Bravo, it seem that tere is not only hamster in the server of ccp follow my thoughts ... CCP as i previously said this i more than enought we are not your f* slaves eve is a game and know logistik will become slavery !! Moreover You say isk selling is bad .... and what the F* a freighter costing 8 to 11B isk that has not other interrest ? People have spent 120 day skilling carrier and know , carrier become crap and really no use ingame. Moreover, people have to train for 5/6 month to be able to pilote the new crappy ** !! You are totally nuts not matter what you say this is bullSt ! You say carrier is combat ship not more so let nerf it and in the mean time you introduce earlyer the rorqual a mining ship. What how say know is use the rorqual for logistik issue. BUT GODDAMNED , IS a MINING/COMPRESSION SHIP !!! Not a logistique ship.Other point jump range is far to small to do go work in Log. The situation is that you, didn't manage to do right when carrier when out but that was fin with you becasue you didn't have think about pos fuel and a specifik for that and you said OSEF let's let them use tha carrier as a logisitk ship. Know that people have trained it, you take a rabit out of your hate and HYPOCRYTICLY say carrier was never design to be used this wait. You really think we are idiot ? You just foolling around with us not more. Direct impact if you do this change will be loosing many customers and more dramatic : Invite more ISK FARMER for resel. Because i assume that the new freighter will be so few that they will in fisrt time be around 15 to 20 B because there will be to few and to many people needing it. So it will automatically increase isk buying for real money, Maybe it what you want , might be in your interest !! If you really want to nerf carrier logistik capabilitT, Give us a REAL LOGISTIQUE SHIP not a freakin XX Bsik freighter, i dont know maybe some kind of ship with same range as carrier no drones but room for fuel and stuff (i'm shure that u can do a ship that can ahave bones to reduce fuel size )!! Like 35km3 only but far jumping that would be able to deploye pos and refuel. with bonus of this style : -90% size fuel. -90% pos and elements. - 90% moonmining matereial size. but not possibility of moving mineral !! like this the old freighter will be needed or the new one can be used to. But at least there will be no problem Carrier will be only fighter > ccp is happy. Rorqual will be only miner > everybody is happy Freighter tier I et II for mineral and stuff > ccp is happy Let's call the new ship the "tanker" will be refuelling and pos management preatty much like oil platform in real life > Everybody is happy Ship are more specialised and everybody is ok That sound more logical that what you are doing !! Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir

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